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AA 01-12-2006 03:15 PM

Terragen™
 
DIGITAL CG LANDSCAPES - THE FUTURE OF MATTE PAINTING IN 3D

I have been watching TG Software (a procedural terrain-generating program) over the years, and finally bought my own copy this week, and I have been experimenting for a while with 3D matte paintings (entirely created in 3D) and I am going to start using it for film, and other related fields.

This software has great potential for future 3D Matte Paintings/Photo Real CG Environments, where 3D artists will have the freedom to fly trough these environments easily, instead of complicated projection set ups.
WATCH THIS EXAMPLE MOVIE which is just the raw 3D render with no tweaks and/or adjustments.

http://www.kk3d.de/terragen/tg2/index.htm


This software is already being used in Movies such as Columbia Pictures' Stealth with a combination of other software for various render passes.

3D artists can create these scenes, and render stills, that can be quickly painted on top of these renders, creating backdrops that can easily be used on lock off's or even with a simple projection on to flat geometry for some parallax. By creating various passes generated with other 3D packages, the final result after the compositing stage with several render passes will have impressive and highly promising results.

The new version of TG2 features a realtime 3D preview , a Populator system allows you to easily place millions of instances of plant models in a scene. Also the preview will feature an advanced hybrid micropolygon renderer with powerful multi-angle displacement capabilities.

TG2 also will have multiple cloud layers which are volumetric 3D clouds, and you will b able to use third party vegetation models, and render extremely detailed photo real landscapes.

In the very near future, we will be able to create photo real environments in 3D within a very short amount of time, using Next Gen 3D software packages like these, combined with other 3rd party plug-ins, and especially multiple processing computer systems that will hit the market very soon.

Again, this is only an example of where things are today, and very soon the possibilites in 3D will become endless :D


Below is the link to the article how TG was used for the movie Stealth
http://millimeter.com/mag/video_stealth/

http://millimeter.com/mag/507MIl_step.gif
Animated gif image from millimeter.com


BELOW ARE SOME OF MY OWN EXPERIMENTS

http://www.alpaltiner.com/forum/alp_terr02.jpg


ANOTER EXAMPLE BELOW OF A VERY EARLY WIP SCENE ENTIRELY CREATED USING 3D A COMBINATION OF TG AND MAYA

http://www.alpaltiner.com/forum/alp_...tepainting.jpg

http://www.alpaltiner.com/forum/alp_sketch_28c.jpg


http://www.alpaltiner.com/forum/alp_sketch_28a.jpg


http://www.alpaltiner.com/forum/alp_sketch_28b.jpg


http://www.alpaltiner.com/forum/alp_sketch_28d.jpg



http://www.alpaltiner.com/forum/alp_sketch_28e.jpg

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ALL THE RENDERS BELOW BY VARIOUS ARTISTS ARE USING THE BETA VERSION OF TG 2 THAT IS NOT EVEN OUT YET





ALSO MAKE SURE TO CHECK OUT TG2 THE NEW VERSION AND BELOW ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE END OF THIS YEAR WITH VOLUMETRIC CLOUDS, IMAGE DONE BY Olivier Cousinou


http://olivier.cousinou.free.fr/TGD/Images/Big_sky.jpg

http://olivier.cousinou.free.fr/TGD/...rt_flowers.jpg

Olivier Cousinou' s website
http://olivier.cousinou.free.fr/tgdgal1.html

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Luois Bianco's Website and below some of his work
http://lucbianco.free.fr/3D/TGD202.jpg
http://lucbianco.free.fr/tgd_index.html

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MARKUS GANN's Gallery Below and his website

http://www.begann.de/pic/tgd/tgd1.html


http://www.begann.de/pic/tgd/2suns1024.jpg

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I ALSO CREATED A SECTION FOR THIS IN MY FORUM http://www.laborganika.com/forum/index.php, ANYONE INTERESTED FEEL FREE TO JOIN DISCUSSIONS< SHARE/POST YOUR WORK.


THE FUTURE OF MATTE PAINTINGS IS VERY EXCITING, CREATING VIRTUAL WORLDS/ ENDLESS DIGITAL LANDSCAPES IN 3D. AGAIN REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE RAW CG RENDERS WITHOUT ANY COMPOSITING/ADJUSTMENTS. THINK ABOUT ALL THE POSSIBILITES. ESPECIALLY BEING ABLE TO CREATE REFLECTION MAPS, PANO'S, AND THE LIST GOES ON . . :wink: . . . . . . .





ALSO GO WATCH THIS MOVIE ON THE LINK BELOW

[url]http://www.kk3d.de/terragen/tg2/index.htm[/ur

homer 01-12-2006 03:36 PM

I assume it will need a heavy duty, rendering farm to create practical animations.
Seems it worth the try.

And great job on the sunset scene

smooth 01-12-2006 05:11 PM

The future of matte painting in 3d??? I hope not.
I would rather create complex camera projections using real textures from real life photos and brush-work than to use procedurally textured models like terragens. There's a loooong way to go before computers can generate that soft organic feel that looks right. If it DOES come to that, then we can call it just "3d" the words matte painting would be gone. Sad day if it comes to that. And the 3d artists will do all the "matte paintings", if u can call them that at that point.
I have no negative views about 3d, don't get me wrong. Using it to help build a shot but not at the extent of using JUST 3d applications. Esp terragen.
my 2 cents.

+smooth+

AA 01-12-2006 05:22 PM

Remember, that regardless of CG render passes looking failry convincing, there always is going to be various compositing techniques to create the final image.

Look at Matte Paintings back when they use to paint on glass, and look how much 3D is involved now, and what is going to happen within the next 10 years. Regardless of our opinions, the technology will grow, and new software will be written . . . The reason I wanted to get into Matte paintings was also the fact that I fell in love with the original paintings done by master artists . . . but I also like the fact that this is creating new ways of approaching Matte Paintings. I still use my artistsic skill, and Matte Painting experience, to apply it to 3D setups, and try creating various realism effects, just using a different CG tools.

I also do quite a bit of work for video games, where these techinques can compliment the approach, since it is still stylized, especially the fact that it would take me a lot less time to create a great base for a seamless 180, and/or 360 sky map, that I can spend time integrating photo elements, and/or paint additional sections. These renders would also compliment CG movies, cinematics, etc.

I will continue my experiements and will share future results with others . . . Also if you read my first post, this is related to landscapes as a rendering tool.

I also strongly believe that 3D artists are becoming more and more aware of the 2D approach and I know many very talented 3D artist that can also paint . . . My point is combining both skills and taking advantage of technology : )


Another Software Vue 5, worth taking a look at their studies, and coding.

http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/vue/vue_5_infinite

rrische 01-12-2006 06:30 PM

My opinion- for distant stuff it's alright. But none of
the closeup terrains are convincing enough. Terrains
have come a long way, but there's still something
"Last Starfighter"-ish about it.

AA 01-12-2006 07:00 PM

Hey Rick,

I was refering to the distand render results, I think it is a good way to get a base for our work, let me know if you want to mess around in it, I'll share my set up files. It sure has potential . . . especially the controls for lighting, fog, and atmosphere is impressive, as well as the sun control, and it's glow across the surface map . . .Yes, the close up is not there yet . . . But hey for only US$99, this is a really cool program, and I actually met the person who wrote the code for this back when I use to work at Digital Domain, and I know he is still working on the code, and version 2 which is coming the end of this year, has volumetric clouds . . . impressive stuff

ecsdesign 01-12-2006 08:03 PM

For a good example of the technology used in terragen check out the new Digital Domain commercial directed by David Fincher...

http://www.digitaldomain.com/links/c.../BHS1/bhs1.htm

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P.Nagle 01-12-2006 08:04 PM

I use to use this application for fun a couple of years back when i was in high school and could not get my hands on a good 3D app, there stiill is a free verison out there http://www.planetside.co.uk/terragen/

not sure now much less you get in the free version or if it has even been updated in a while, I rememeber the render times were not to horrendous even on my old windows 98 box

just thought if anyone want to try it out for fun i would give the link to the free version, its not very intuitive or at least when I was using it, it wasnt.

Cheers,
Pat

NickATnitE 01-12-2006 10:56 PM

All rendering and photoreal issues aside one of the great advantages to terragen is the ability to output hi res displacement maps ralativley quickly and easily. which can be of use in any 3d app...

Nick

AA 01-13-2006 01:58 AM

escdesign >>

Quote:

For a good example of the technology used in terragen check out the new Digital Domain commercial directed by David Fincher...

http://www.digitaldomain.com/links/comm ... 1/bhs1.htm
Thanks for sharing that link, which is a great example of using Terragen / 3D Matte Paintings, and I think that is TG2 with volumetric moving clouds . . .

<NickATnitE>
. . . and yes, hi res displacement maps are very useful and quickly created using Terragen : )


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